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The Next DCS Project: What?

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I disagree with the next project that Eagle Dynamics plans - Another Black Shark ??!?

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With the issuance of the A-10C, the path for the next plane is more open.

There have been indications that it will be a fixed wing fighter as per this speculation thread.

Eagle Dynamics does have some items on their plate before fully focusing on the next aircraft.

  • A-10C Bug-fixes
  • Patch integrating A-10C with Black Shark
  • Nevada Terrain

What will be the next?

From the basis of their habits, we are going to be looking at an older aircraft with the majority of its systems de-classified. It should also be in use by possible real-life, military clients. Snagging a contract would set them up for longer term survival - not based on solely on the flight sim market. If they get one of those contracts, that will be the next sim we get, no matter what we want.

The F14, while a favourite, is out of service in the U.S. and has just a few remnants in other nations.

The FA-18 and the F-16 has had many export versions. It would be my guess that it be those two but both are long in the tooth.

I do not know much about the European fighters. How would they stack up?

Care to get the unfounded speculation started?


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It would be nice if ED did not go down the beaten track and did something original for a change

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If they snagged a contract for a Europesn fighter, it'd be these best of both worlds. This weekend I'm going to have to do some research on them.

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It sounds funny to say it - but I would like something older - like an F-16A Block 10 or a Mirage F-1CR something that requires more skill to fly and navigate...

man ... a Mirage F-1CR ... that would be amazing to fly

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My first guess is it will be an F-15C, but an F-15C/E package would be nice. I hope it's not the F-16; I feel like Falcon 4.0 and Free Falcon 5 pretty much cover all the bases as far as that bird goes. Somehow I doubt it will be Navy or Marines related...just a gut feeling, nothing more.

I'm interested to see what it will be.

I'm also wondering if this will come out before or after Fighter Ops. :icon_razz:

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Amongst the best candidates are mid-generational types

These are mid-generational because they are extensive upgrades to earlier types - which are still flown (and produced)in some form.

They already have the basic design investment sunk into them - keeping them around is cost effective.

The F-16, F-15E Strike Eagle, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, and Dassault Rafale have seen combat.

Here is an extensive list of jets to browse through.

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If they want to go to the same level of detail as in the A-10C, those types are more than OK.

I wonder if they have the guts to make an F-16 choice, because then they would need to be better than Falcon 4 / Falcon 5.x - which is not an easy thing to do.

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A friend of mine sent the -1 manuals for the Mudhen to Matt Wagner. Postage was close to $80. Matt copied them and sent them back.

I hope it's an F-15E.

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personally i want an air to air combat aircraft..in the past someone shows some photos in a the developer thread about the F16 Development cockpit..

personally i love the F16

my uncle was an f16 pilot

also an Eagle it would be awesome

time will tell....

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Hi:

Well, I don't really understand why ED has to have a military contract to produce a DCS quality module. With a little bit of investigation for information that is already out for public to see, a very good high quality sim could be done. This military contract stuff is getting a little tiring to me. It's just an excuse not to give newer aircraft sims to the public. I will mention the F-18E. Now you can't tell me that there is not enough info available to make this a viable sim module. Some wish to see the F-22 etc. but this is in a different class and no there would be not enough info available for a DCS type module. Surprisingly there would not be enough for an SR-71 (still classified) and probably always will be. Yes I also agree there must be some other European aircraft that could be made into a DCS module and again I will see that no military contract is needed. I really feel this is just an excuse and I will leave it at that. Let me hear what you have to say, as surely I am not the only person who thinks this. to me ED is looking for a double header so to speak, a lucrative military contract and a sim. spin off. Good business policy but those contract are not easy to come by. Lots of competition for those contracts. Anyway lets here what others have to say on this. Just chit chat, don't make this out to be an ED flaming thread, not the purpose, just lets hear ideas as to why we have to wait for ED to get a military contract before looking at doing a DCS module. Thats the question. Yes I know other than double up on moneys. Other than that. LOL.:D

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I agree - the Military Contract thing seem to a be a bit of an excuse, somehow I can't imagine that they really need that much info to create a flight sim, they could have released the A-10C without that much detail and it would still have been a great product.

In fact, I am afraid that going into too many details and creating a sim so complex in the end might backfire, Falcon4 in the end did just that, it was hugely popular, but how many people really mastered it ? I didn't.

A friend of mine sent the -1 manuals for the Mudhen to Matt Wagner. Postage was close to $80. Matt copied them and sent them back.

I hope it's an F-15E.

that makes sense, making an Eagle DCS module, the F-15C/D models are of very high quality - they look like something that could be developed even further, into an A-10C style model.

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Hmph. The outrage! The F-16 and F/A-18 are not the only fighters that make up the US Air Force, I believe! I should think the F-15C is a very fine air superiority fighter, as far as I'm concerned. Sorry for my uneven outburst. Just something I noticed on the front page, and I GOT MAD! Go Eagle! :)

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They should create a SU 27 DCS.

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Well...the DCS line started with a helo (Russian) which, by definition, is A2G. Next was the venerable A-10, an American A2G bird for balance. If sequencing has any bearing, it's time for a Russian A2A bird.

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It would be neat if they did a MiG-29A / F-16A Blk10 sim icon_bananadance.gif

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Well...the DCS line started with a helo (Russian) which, by definition, is A2G. Next was the venerable A-10, an American A2G bird for balance. If sequencing has any bearing, it's time for a Russian A2A bird.

It has been their habit to extend the current systems they have to the next project. All the Shkval code for the Su-25T made them look at the Black Shark as the 1st DCS title. Plus the popularity of the Black Shark itself in Russia

From that I don`t see a purely A2A superiority fighter - multi-role fits better. And as they have done a lot of detailed work on the American armaments, an American multi-role fighter would be the most logical step.

That being said, I think they might take ONE large step in one technology or system. With the Su-25T it was the AFM, Black Shark had the helicopter, the A-10C had a number of systems that were new - JTAC is one I can think of

Maybe - a co-pilot system(The Black Shark was chosen over the Ka-52 mainly because it was single pilot) or dynamic campaign(if it can be re-written easily for the next DCS )

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Hi:Well, I don't really understand why ED has to have a military contract to produce a DCS quality module. With a little bit of investigation for information that is already out for public to see, a very good high quality sim could be done. This military contract stuff is getting a little tiring to me. It's just an excuse not to give newer aircraft sims to the public. I will mention the F-18E. Now you can't tell me that there is not enough info available to make this a viable sim module. Some wish to see the F-22 etc. but this is in a different class and no there would be not enough info available for a DCS type module.

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You are right on not needing a military contract for a greatly accurate simulation.

But I think they will make an airplane decision as soon as possible rather than wait for a military contractor. The more work that can be done while the revenues from the DCS: A-10C are still coming in, the more power they will have.

With publishers - they can ask for higher share of revenues

With military contractors - they can offer a combat environment that has been improved. We are focused on what type of plane to fly. But there are real-world systems, out-side the cockpit, that must be simulated for any and all airplanes. Weather conditions, GPS, Air-Ground co-ordination, Realistic enemy AI, and others

Military contracts are a bonus but I feel the clock ticking on the revenues. I do not see Eagle Dynamics betting on those contracts.

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From that I don`t see a purely A2A superiority fighter - multi-role fits better. And as they have done a lot of detailed work on the American armaments, an American multi-role fighter would be the most logical step.

if for no other reason that it would make for much more interesting missions !

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It would be nice if the developer did not go down the beaten track and did something original for a change

If the developer is staying with 4th generation fighters, the F-18 can carry a wider variety of munitions over the F-16. It the developer wants to step it up and change to the 5th generation of fighters, then the F-22, F-35,etc would be some good choices also.

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... And as they have done a lot of detailed work on the American armaments, an American multi-role fighter would be the most logical step...

That might well be. I don't know. But they have a foot in two markets--the Russian and the American. I'm thinking it might be the Russian's turn next.

Rich

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I read somewhere that it will be an American fighter - I don't think they would want to repeat their experience with Black Shark where they released a great sim that appealed less than expected to the Western market.

What is surprising to me, is that I expected Black Shark to be very successful with the Helicopter fans that wiuld appreciate its high fidelity quality , but that seem not ti have been the case.

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What is surprising to me, is that I expected Black Shark to be very successful with the Helicopter fans that wiuld appreciate its high fidelity quality , but that seem not ti have been the case.

There seemed to be an unspoken desire for a fully Apache/Commanche equivalent - full radar,laser, fire-and-forget missiles.

The Black Shark is accurate but limited in use and that was hard work.

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The problem with DCS: BS, is, and Tom ,you are correct on this part, it appealed less to the overall Western Market, which created less revenue, of course, for a simulator of that high quality. Also, high quality or not, BS reached only it's full potential when paired with FC2. One aircraft, or helicopter (And a hard to fly one at that) was not as appealing as it would with lesser-simmers to hardcore counterparts.

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Well, it would be fun to have an F-14D or an F-15E in the mix...especially the Tomcat - but I wonder if DCS is ready to model a two seat aircraft with functional RIO positions.

Also the F-14 series would require a new and improved Carrier with improved functionality.

so it will likely be a single seat aircraft and unlikely to be navy or carrier based.

on another note - I would like to see a Cobra attack helo at some point

All of these are 'long in the tooth' - but then so are the A-10 and the Su25 so I don't think age has anything to do with their selection beyond 'modern warfare' as a relative term (vs Vietnam, Korea or WWII)

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As long as we're wishing - I personally would like to see both the F-16 Block 10 and the F-22 Raptor added along with the EADS Typhoon. I would venture that the cockpit development could be shared between the two which would simplify some of the additional coding requirements. This would modernize the sim (or game) significiently as you could put the best against the best. Can any one say "And the Sukhoi PAK FA too!" in Russian for me?

Best of Luck

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Personally I think the developer should do something original. we all have seen janes F-16 and F-15. what if the developer did a Harrier or an f-35. i think that would be best because it is a fixed wing fighter..but it would also have the hover ability, which is somethign that fsx harriers and what not don't have.

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